Progress updates may kill Khan for our school

I completely agree with the above statements and share the frustration. My son and I have also been using Khan Academy for 4+ years now and have loved every update except this most recent one. Last night we spent over 2 hours trying to pass a Unit Test due to simple mistakes on ONE QUESTION each time causing us to have to retake a 14-question test over and over just to achieve mastery. Our first retake was due to hitting "enter" instead of "tab" to move to a different field, this made that question the only one we missed and we then had to take the test all over again. The second go around we made a simple math error on one question, then the third time through the test it was a simple math error again, same for the 4th time through. On the 5th go around, we got them all right but the time invested to do so was 100% on concepts we understood and redoing lengthy questions we fully understood felt like pointless busywork where we'd rather be learning new things and progressing. Making a simple mistake on any early question in the test was also especially demotivating because we then not only knew we'd have to start over but also had to finish the rest of the current test questions... more busywork. 

My suggestion/request would be to at least make it so missing one question didn't require taking an entire test over all the other content we'd answered correctly. In the test example above, our errors were always simple mistakes rather than lack of understanding and this led to the errors always being on different questions versus one specific skill we actually needed practice on. We'b both very much have appreciated it if we would have then been tested additionally on what we missed rather than having to repeat the entire Unit Test. 

It also appears that the new system is not connected properly to the badges as we did not receive the badges for the two units we finished. My son loves the badges and we were especially sad to see we didn't get them after all the additional work this new system required us to do. 

Please help fix these issues.

I’m an adult learner, and I agree with everything both posters have said here, especially the second one/first responding comment (Hakan S.). I liked the mission mastery because once I was doing the leveling up, with six random questions selected from the skills not yet mastered in this course plus one or more from a subject already mastered, I could get some exercises wrong without having to start over again. The only issue I had with these was that if I got too many wrong, I couldn’t do any more until a certain amount of time had passed. For me, because this rarely happened, the time limit was only about 1-3 hours. I see complaints here that sometimes this is 14-16 hours.

Anyway, it would be nice to be able to take a unit test only with the skills not yet at level 6. This would also be handy when new skills are added to a segment of a course, as is being done right now with AP Statistics. I had already passed some of the Unit Tests for this one. Now I have to take them again to get back to level 6 in areas where new skills have been added, but I have to also answer correctly in some areas where I have gotten a bit rusty.

Another thing that has come up here is the desire to restart a practice, quiz, or test, since this would do away with the situation where someone gets the first question wrong and then has to do up to 14 “useless” questions before being able to go for the 100% score again.

I agree with everything that has been posted above.

Before this new update, with the old circular progress indicators, I could easily tell if I had unwatched videos, unread articles, or exercises left to finish in the unit. But now, all I see is the Mastery score for just the exercises. I can no longer tell if there are videos left to watch, or articles to read.

I suggest a simple text indicator like

15/20 Completed Lessons

or

15 of 20 complete

so we know how many of everything have been finished. I'll just post the old view here, since it's almost exactly what I suggest be added back:

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About the unit tests, it would be very nice if the unit tests had more logic behind them, so only skills not already mastered are provided for practice. This would save TONS of time when trying to master some remaining skills.

I strongly agree with the above sentiments, particularly the simple text indicators as highlighted by Jett Burns.

On a similar vein, I would really like to be able to find any videos and exercises throughout the site that I have yet to complete. Currently if there has been an update to content, I have to go through each subsection of the site to see if there are new exercises or videos available, rather than being able to easily consult a list of my incomplete content.

I have the same problem. In our district we use the old progress page in order to give students a grade. We assign students grade level specific missions to work on independently. We set the time rage to the reporting period and students are required to get a specific amount of skills mastered. My new cohort created a khan account and is only able to view the new progress page. She can not see a class or individual student progress on grade level missions because the new progress tab does not have this feature. Is there a way around this? We do not use the assignment feature as we want to see mastery of spiraled skills not just how they perform on individual assignments (also this feature requires lots of clicking and hand adding when you are trying to grade 100s of students). Please tell me this old report is not going away as this is detrimental to the way we use khan in our district. New teachers can not access with the new update.

@jhesi.howerton Depending on how your grading system is setup, you might be able to use mastery percentages as a workaround. With the new coaching tools, you're able to assign an entire mission for students to work on. Using the Progress page, you could use the list of student names at the top and the % of the mission that they have completed to grade them. So, rather than requiring them to master X skills in a certain time frame, they would be required to master X% of the mission within a certain time frame.

I don't know if that would work with how your grading system is setup, but that may be something to consider as a possible workaround for the teachers who can't see the old dashboard. If they're not seeing the button to switch to the old progress page, then I don't believe it's possible. You can always try creating a support ticket though.

I was unaware until recently that new teachers can't see the old progress page. That must be very frustrating. We are trying to consolidate everyone who is interested in having the old progress page back into one page to help magnify our voices. jhesi.howerton, please add your voice here as well (specific to the progress page). I also encourage you to create a support ticket.

https://khanacademy.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360019091311-Teachers-want-the-old-progress-page-please-upvote-

I completely agree with what the other posters are saying, especially in regards to the "Course Challenge". I got a 90% on it and it won't let me move on. I tried to retake it, accidentally got one of the first three questions wrong, and I've now given up because I have no intention of retaking this test over and over and over again for one wrong question.

First, I agree with several other posts in this community that ask for a "reset" button on a test, especially for adult learners. That way if you get a question wrong at the beginning, you can start over instead of going through 25 more questions knowing the entire time that you'll have to retake the test so it doesn't even matter what answers you give.

Second, there should be an option, at least for course challenges which cover a large number of lessons, to only focus on the questions you got wrong and not require you to retake the entire 30-40 minute test because of one or two wrong questions. The whole point of tests is to show you what you need to work on, and I understand that completely. That's actually what I want so that I can improve. But to make me continually take 30 minutes to go over things I already know and have gotten right is ridiculous. As a 30-year-old woman trying to renew my knowledge of math  before I go back to college, I don't have time to retake these tests over and over to reach a score of 100% so I can move on to the next unit. I would rather be able to focus on the one or two areas I got wrong and improve my score, or even just be able to make sure I understand the lesson even if it doesn't improve my score but still allows me to move forward. After all, you don't need a perfect score in college to pass a course.

If this doesn't change soon, I will need to find someplace else to increase my knowledge of math because this is beyond frustrating.

I'm not even doing the Course Challenges. Thanks to a change made after the new Mastery system was implemented, students don't need to do the Course Challenges in order to get the full complement of points for a course.

I really miss the old Mission Mastery system!

This has been fixed and you can use the old system now. If you go under "Courses" at the top of any page, choose a course, and then you'll see at the top of the new system this sentence: "Looking for Missions? Click here to start or continue working on the xxx Mission." Click the link and you'll be on the old system we all enjoy so much. 

Hakan,

I would not say this is "fixed." With the update they left the missions but have been phasing them out. They even have changed the way to get back to the old system to make it less noticeable. For those trying to get to missions that does work for now but I doubt it will be around much longer.

Sad, I hadn't noticed that and it will really ruin Khan Academy for me if they take them away completely.